Curse

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Seriously there aren't any difficult missions to do before iron mines and the actual infusion run takes about 5-10 mins. It's easy. Go do it.

It's not hard at all. Back when ONLY proph was out I didn't think it was that hard and it has only been getting easier since. Making it any easier would make it just a minute inconvenience and not really worth having.

Arato · Jun 02, 2010, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

But aren't you supposed to be infused by this point anyway? In any case I really don't think getting infused is that difficult...but it is one of those things that isn't all that important unless you don't have it so I guess putting it in LA wouldn't be a big deal. Maybe charging for it in LA and giving it to you for free in Iron Mines (and the other places you can get infused).

It's kind of a big deal for people who don't want to do prophecies.

There'd be more cause for people not ascalon born to do prophecies if:

1. Deldrimmor Crafted weapons could be put in HoM
2. Dropped loot was inscribible (this goes for factions too, it's kinda worthless to farm anywhere in factions or proph because it's all uninscribible)
3. There was a title or faction connected to it.

WinterSnowblind · Jun 02, 2010, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Well, it's nice that they're still at least adding something to the game. But these bounty missions aren't enough to keep me interested, and they're too much effort/tedium without enough pay off.

Gli · Jun 02, 2010, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Arato

There was a title or faction connected to it.

Protector and Guardian?

frostkisses · Jun 02, 2010, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Gli

Protector and Guardian?

cartographer?

revelation · Jun 02, 2010, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I agree, putting a NPC to infuse your armor in L.A. would make life a lot easier.

I've done all Guardian/Cartographer/Vanquisher titles on my warrior, and there is absolutely no way I am going to do them again, so re-doing all those missions just to get infused is very boring and complete waste of time.

Gli · Jun 02, 2010, 08:02 PM // 20:02

They could add a quest giver for a new infusion quest to the LA Keep area, or something like that. Surely the Spectral Agony problem should pop-up in the story somehow, considering how it walks all over everyone and everything except the player characters and their heroes.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Arato

It's kind of a big deal for people who don't want to do prophecies.

There'd be more cause for people not ascalon born to do prophecies if:

1. Deldrimmor Crafted weapons could be put in HoM
2. Dropped loot was inscribible (this goes for factions too, it's kinda worthless to farm anywhere in factions or proph because it's all uninscribible)
3. There was a title or faction connected to it.

lol wut

It's a big deal to hop on over to dorks. Get to an outpost that's 2 minutes away. Complete a mission then do half of another mission?

It's not like the missions are HUNDREDS OF LINES OF TEXT like the crap you have to do to get to the WiK. In my opinion that is infinitely worse than doing some missions that have plenty of action in them.

Plus you don't even NEED to do this stuff because you're going against what...a couple mursaat at a time? You NEED infusion (And even here not REALLY) when you're going up against sizable mobs of mursaat constantly.

Also last time I checked uber rare awesome uninsc proph and factions loot still sold for plenty. Also there are a few titles tied to completing proph.

But all this is completely off topic. The WiK bounties are still teh suck..

Arato · Jun 02, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Gli

Protector and Guardian?

no I mean a real title track, one that has some effect on pve gameplay, or some pve skills.

Going just for titles that do nothing but extend epeen really only gets a minority of players.

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lol wut

It's a big deal to hop on over to dorks. Get to an outpost that's 2 minutes away. Complete a mission then do half of another mission?

It's not like the missions are HUNDREDS OF LINES OF TEXT like the crap you have to do to get to the WiK. In my opinion that is infinitely worse than doing some missions that have plenty of action in them.

By "hop on over" you mean slowly run your way from LA to an empty beacons and hope someone is running to droks and then end up giving up because nobody's doing it, and then your options are either A: slowly walk to Drok's having to kill everything in your path, or B: (which is what I ended up doing, at least it opened up ToPK as well) do sanctum's cay, do the desert missions, beat doppleganger, beat dragon's lair, and THEN go from Drok's to Iron Mines. Then have to slowly kill your way up to infusion, because nobody is there to run it for you, and not every class is capable of just running it solo (I did try, but SoJ spam killed me in the end).

Some people need to get it through their thick skulls that just because it's not hard, doesn't make it fun, engaging, and feel worthwhile doing. It can be easy and still be time consuming, boring/tedious, and frustrating seeing how far you still have to go for such a "simple thing".

It's easy for me to spam spirits and kill everything, that doesn't make it fun or engaging, or worthwhile. Sometimes you just wanna get where you're going and not have to trudge through the mud on the way.

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Plus you don't even NEED to do this stuff because you're going against what...a couple mursaat at a time? You NEED infusion (And even here not REALLY) when you're going up against sizable mobs of mursaat constantly.

A couple of mursaat that will single handedly kill off your henchmen, and then you, in about 5s, leaving your heroes as the only things standing.

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Also last time I checked uber rare awesome uninsc proph and factions loot still sold for plenty. Also there are a few titles tied to completing proph.

If you're counting core content as prophecies, maybe, but if it's truely prophecies content there's pretty much only 1 thing and that's Mursaat Hammers, maybe magmas shields, but your shots at one of those with the right noninsc bonus is a slim shot at best.

The titles connected are useless titles that are only used for the GWAMM title, which is just an epeen title. By title I meant like Sunspear/Lightbringer/Deldrimmor/Asuran/Norn/Ebon Vanguard.

Maybe some shining blade title track, with shining blade pve skills.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 02, 2010, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Arato

The titles connected are useless titles that are only used for the GWAMM title, which is just an epeen title. By title I meant like Sunspear/Lightbringer/Deldrimmor/Asuran/Norn/Ebon Vanguard.

Maybe some shining blade title track, with shining blade pve skills.

Mmmmm yea OK that's a good idea.

Fay Vert · Jun 02, 2010, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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It occurs to me, that if you look at War Supplies AS A CONSUMABLE, the time it takes to acquire them IS somewhat balanced, or even balanced in our favour - compared to the time it takes to get Bowls of Skalefin Soup and Drake Kabobs.

2 War Supplies is equivelent to 1 Bowl of Skalefin Soup + 1 Drake Kabob.

I agree, the problem is the poor exchange rate for gifts

Iuris · Jun 03, 2010, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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It's kind of a big deal for people who don't want to do prophecies.

War in Kryta is kinda of meant for people who have already finished Prophecies. You need to finish it to even start WiK content.

Mintha Syl · Jun 03, 2010, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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You need to finish it to even start WiK content.

Well not really, EotN is enough for that. But storywise I think yes, it doesn't make much sense going through this events without having partecipated in prophecies events.

Iuris · Jun 03, 2010, 08:43 AM // 08:43

Really? I thought you had to have finished both.

Arato · Jun 03, 2010, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Well not really, EotN is enough for that. But storywise I think yes, it doesn't make much sense going through this events without having partecipated in prophecies events.

Well for an ascalon born character, completing the campaign makes more sense because (5 year old spoilers, sorry) the white mantle appear to be good, they grant a new home to you and your ascalon refugees after having to flee your homeland due to the searing and ongoing charr invasion. It's the white mantle that prevented Kryta from being overrun like Ascalon. You go through the first few missions thinking the White Mantle are the good guys. Your first impressions of the Shining Blade are that they ambush the chosen and kidnap them, probably to be killed. Then you learn the filthy truth about them and their unseen gods.

It is only then that you can really trust the Shining Blade and want to support them, and want to raise Princess Salma to the throne.

But for a non ascalonian character, that did not experience the searing, that wasn't droven into exile, and taken in by the white mantle, you're never given that benevolent opinion of the White Mantle. Your first encounter with the Shining Blade may be perhaps in your search for Gadd, they help you find him, and help you against the destroyers. So you start out with them as your allies, and they tell you of the White Mantle's tyrannical rule, and their plans to restore the monarchy to the throne. There's no need storywise to go through prophecies then, especially if you did EotN first, as that'd be confusing, suddenly siding with White Mantle for a few missions again and thinking of the people that helped you beat the destroyers as enemies?

The Riven · Jun 03, 2010, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Maybe some shining blade title track, with shining blade pve skills.

Am I alone in thinking that we already have far to many PvE skills in the game?

aspi · Jun 03, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Really? I thought you had to have finished both.

yeah kinda strange huh. never bothered myself to finish prophecies with my warrior, and not looking forward to it either. But still I did finish EOTN and can do the WiK just fine. Thank god/Anet.

-Vodka- · Jun 03, 2010, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Arato

Maybe some shining blade title track, with shining blade pve skills.

Because adding more PvE skills would really help the game

Essence Snow · Jun 03, 2010, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Because adding more PvE skills would really help the game

I'm not sure why this thought bothers ppl soo much. It's not like they have to be the dominate PvE skills. When was the last time anyone used Club of a Thousand Bears or Winds? Does having these decrease the enjoyment of the game? The more skills the marrier as far as I'm concerned.

Kharmin · Jun 03, 2010, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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yeah kinda strange huh. never bothered myself to finish prophecies with my warrior, and not looking forward to it either. But still I did finish EOTN and can do the WiK just fine. Thank god/Anet.

Same here, but I am finding that some parts are ... tougher than others since I don't have anything infused. Wondering if it is worth the effort to finish Proph with the one character I have who is remotely close to the end. I spend a lot of my time in EotN until lately when WiK came around... but I only have 1 character who can access it.

That's what I get for coming late to this party (and being a very casual gamer).